{"id":557,"date":"2021-01-09T13:04:36","date_gmt":"2021-01-09T13:04:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/scimonk.com\/?p=557"},"modified":"2021-05-30T04:53:41","modified_gmt":"2021-05-30T04:53:41","slug":"on-ontology-of-thought-and-self-reflections-from-j-krishnamurti-part-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/scimonk.com\/index.php\/2021\/01\/09\/on-ontology-of-thought-and-self-reflections-from-j-krishnamurti-part-1\/","title":{"rendered":"On Ontology Of Thought And Self: Reflections From J. Krishnamurti. Part-(1)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div id=\"ez-toc-container\" class=\"ez-toc-v2_0_83 counter-hierarchy ez-toc-counter ez-toc-grey ez-toc-container-direction\">\n<div class=\"ez-toc-title-container\"><p class=\"ez-toc-title\" style=\"cursor:inherit\">Table of Contents<\/p>\n<\/div><nav><ul class='ez-toc-list ez-toc-list-level-1 ' ><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-1\" href=\"https:\/\/scimonk.com\/index.php\/2021\/01\/09\/on-ontology-of-thought-and-self-reflections-from-j-krishnamurti-part-1\/#Questioning_Thought_And_Self\" >Questioning Thought And Self<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-2\" href=\"https:\/\/scimonk.com\/index.php\/2021\/01\/09\/on-ontology-of-thought-and-self-reflections-from-j-krishnamurti-part-1\/#Man_vs_Society\" >Man v\/s Society<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-3\" href=\"https:\/\/scimonk.com\/index.php\/2021\/01\/09\/on-ontology-of-thought-and-self-reflections-from-j-krishnamurti-part-1\/#On_Society_and_Culture\" >On Society and Culture<\/a><\/li><li class='ez-toc-page-1 ez-toc-heading-level-2'><a class=\"ez-toc-link ez-toc-heading-4\" href=\"https:\/\/scimonk.com\/index.php\/2021\/01\/09\/on-ontology-of-thought-and-self-reflections-from-j-krishnamurti-part-1\/#Going_Beyond_Conditioning\" >Going Beyond Conditioning.<\/a><\/li><\/ul><\/nav><\/div>\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Questioning_Thought_And_Self\"><\/span>Questioning Thought And Self<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>We all think, most of the time we are thinking about something. The thought is the phenomenon in which we identify ourselves. But, did we ever ask the question &#8220;what is thought?&#8221; which is right now going on in our mind and has an inextricable relationship with the self and being. Is there anything &#8220;without thought?&#8221; Can we imagine a state where there are no thoughts at all?\u00a0 Why I am asking these questions is because we all essentially understood that we need to change. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When we sincerely look at ourselves and at society it is unequivocal that, immense problems are waiting for us to take the incumbent. Therefore asking some of the fundamental questions like what is self, thought and mind are essentially important, and in this essay, I am going to canvass J, Krishnamurthi\u2019s ideas on these matters.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>To have a fundamental metamorphosis of the mind, essentially we need to understand the up and running of one\u2019s mind. If we don\u2019t realize our mind\u2019s depth (the thinker who is incessantly seeking and questioning), then all our inquiries and search would be a perfunctory hocus-pocus. On the ground that our mind is not clear about its process until we realize that we are functioning in a particular pattern of thoughts, we can\u2019t have a radical change in our life consequently with society.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The idea of self-realization is hardly difficult because here I am talking about an entity (you and me) that is conditioned by society and tradition for years from our birth. To know one\u2019s self means to observe what we think and feel, how we think and feel, and why we think (what kind of motives are behind our thoughts) and feel in a particular pattern from moment to moment. And that has to happen without judgment, bias, and comparison in a way to see our thoughts \u2018as it is\u2019 because our mind is not only a conscious entity but also an unconscious establishment where all our past resides.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Man_vs_Society\"><\/span>Man v\/s Society<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>To suss the idea of man v\/s society further, In social and anthropological theories there is an idea of \u2018<em>Habitus\u2019<\/em> coined by the French philosopher and sociologist Pierre Bourdieu. But the notion of <em>\u2018Habitus<\/em>\u2019 is an ancient philosophical query starting from Aristotle&#8217;s idea of \u2018<em>Hexis<a href=\"#_ftn1\"><sup><strong><sup>[1]<\/sup><\/strong><\/sup><\/a>\u2019<\/em>( State, Stable disposition or way of being). It is a cornerstone of Bourdieu\u2019s sociological theory and used to elucidate the question of agency and structure. According to Bourdieu<em> \u2018Habitus\u2019<\/em>&nbsp; is \u201cstructured structures to function as structuring structures<a href=\"#_ftn2\"><sup>[2]<\/sup><\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"350\" height=\"416\" src=\"https:\/\/scimonk.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/01\/author.png\" alt=\"Pierre Bourdieu. Images of Algeria | Jeu de Paume\" class=\"wp-image-567\" srcset=\"https:\/\/scimonk.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/01\/author.png 350w, https:\/\/scimonk.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/01\/author-252x300.png 252w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\" \/><figcaption>Pierre Bourdieu<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>To annotate further in social science the idea of <em>\u2018agency\u2019 <\/em>identified as the capacity of individuals to act autonomously and to create their own choices without any interference. It is an ability to act independently on one\u2019s will. Also, the idea of <em>\u2018structure\u2019 <\/em>(such as religion, nation, social class, customs, profession) is an influencing factor that determines and controls an agent. Coming to the core idea of Bourdieu <em>\u2018Habitus\u2019 <\/em>would be seen as the very way that individuals react and act to the social world. This is to say that we are disposed and embodied by social structures, our being itself constituted by a specific way of being.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Therefore, it is a reality that we are socialized, our body (posture, accent) and mind (perception, feelings and classifications) are constructed and presently constructing according to the social structure. Let\u2019s say I have my own free will but, according to the idea of \u2018Habitus\u2019, the ideas of \u201cFree\u201d and \u201cwill\u201d coming from my conscious and unconscious narratives which were the product of our memories and memories are the fruits of our partaking with society.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"682\" src=\"https:\/\/scimonk.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/01\/lonely-273629_1280-1024x682.jpg\" alt=\"man thinking \" class=\"wp-image-561\" srcset=\"https:\/\/scimonk.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/01\/lonely-273629_1280-1024x682.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/scimonk.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/01\/lonely-273629_1280-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/scimonk.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/01\/lonely-273629_1280-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/scimonk.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/01\/lonely-273629_1280.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"On_Society_and_Culture\"><\/span>On Society and Culture<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>We belong in a society where society is existing within particular dogmas and traditions, which are continually conditioning our way of life. In such a society being free from conditioning from a particular perspective means being in another conditioning ( For example when you convert one ideology to another, in reality, both are part of the conditioning process) and it acts as a rein in our life. Most of us want to find a stable, dependable, and secure space that could be a social system or tradition.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We need a set of patterns where we can rest our thoughts and actions completely into it and superficially feel that someone or something will take care of us. The majority of the time we keep such a secure space as our family\u2019s structure, forefather\u2019s religion, or some kind of ideologies. Because we are safe there, we don\u2019t have to challenge or change and create maim in our family and society.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Let\u2019s think about our culture. It is essentially based on hierarchy. It is a division between those who have less and those who have more. Therefore, when you become a person who has more wealth, power, authority, and so on, here itself, your moreness creates a hierarchy between you and those who have less \u2018ness\u2019. That\u2019s to say our institutions including education, religion, science, etc\u2026 are based on these hierarchical principles and that\u2019s what we are seeing in our society like the division between those who are educated and those who are ignorant.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But most of us are not aware of what we are creating in our society. We don\u2019t see how exactly society works and what we are creating. When we say \u2018Today is not as good as yesterday\u2019 or \u2018The dinner is worse than breakfast\u2019 we are comparing and deploring, that is to say, we are creating a binary and hierarchy in each of our day to day life. So, the problem starts and exists in each of our moments and in our being itself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Going_Beyond_Conditioning\"><\/span>Going Beyond Conditioning.<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>If our &#8216;self&#8217; is the product of society and tradition which it is, can the mind go beyond conditioning? Is it possible to have an individuality ( In the actual sense of the word)? Can we realize our self without the conscious and the unconscious level, which we call memory, where all our thoughts, feelings, and experiences are breathing and inflaming?. Which are conditioned by society and culture. If I am a theist, an atheist, a communist, or a capitalist, myself is the result of that particular structure and ideology.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"640\" height=\"508\" src=\"https:\/\/scimonk.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/01\/affirmations-441457_640.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-562\" srcset=\"https:\/\/scimonk.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/01\/affirmations-441457_640.png 640w, https:\/\/scimonk.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/01\/affirmations-441457_640-300x238.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>And if it is not at all possible from exceeding from conditioning, then what is the possibility of a fundamental change?. That\u2019s to say can we at all realize the self? If we go much deeper with this question then, we should ask is there anything as \u201cSelf\u201d which is independent of all the conditioning?. To have an independent mind means being alone ( not the loneliness or isolation), being alone in one\u2019s heart of hearts.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Also, not pursuing any of the ideologies which we thought will give us security and comfort. Sometimes people turn into a religion or an ideology because we need to be told what we should do in order to reach and receive something. We need spiritually because our mind wants to experience something which our mind can cling to.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Not only that, Krishnamurti was describing such a state as \u201cBeing free of society implies not being ambitious, not being covetous, not being competitive; it implies being nothing with that society which is striving to be something. But you see, it is very difficult to accept that because you may be trodden on, you may be pushed aside; you will have nothing. In that nothingness there is sanity, not in the other\u2026<a href=\"#_ftn3\"><sup>[3]<\/sup><\/a>\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>So, it is certain that \u2018We\u2019 are the product of the known or the past. To see anything new the mind must come out of the past, which necessitates that the mind should be empty. To recognize that whatever we have known is the product of conditioning, therefore as an independent entity it doesn&#8217;t have any self-knowledge within the realm of possibility.&nbsp; Here would be the first step to realize ourselves not what we like to be but what we are.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Stay updated, the second part is coming soon. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>References.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a class=\"rank-math-link\" href=\"#_ftnref1\"><sup>[1]<\/sup><\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/philpapers.org\/rec\/RODTDO-2\" class=\"rank-math-link\">Pierre Rodrigo (2011). The Dynamic of Hexis in Aristotle&#8217;s Philosophy, Journal of the British Society for&nbsp; Phenomenology, 42(1), 6-17.&nbsp;<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref2\"><sup>[2]<\/sup><\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sup.org\/books\/title\/?id=2478\" class=\"rank-math-link\">Bourdieu, P. and Nice, R., 1990. The Logic Of Practice. 1st ed. Polity press, Cambridge<\/a>, p.53<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"#_ftnref3\"><sup>[3]<\/sup><\/a> Krishnamurti, J., 2007. As One Is. Prescott, Ariz: Hohm Press, p.70<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/scimonk.com\" class=\"rank-math-link\">Click here to read more from Scientific Monk. <\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Questioning Thought And Self We all think, most of the time we are thinking about something. The thought is the phenomenon in which we identify ourselves. 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